Speculative Lyric

Andrew Joron came up with the term to describe his science-fiction poetry. An apt term to describe the project a. rawlings and I are currently conducting (previously described as "archeography," until a. informed me it meant something else)(on the other hand, our collaboration also falls under the influence of 'pataphysics). Other poets whose work also falls the "speculative lyric" label? Joron, in his book Cry to Zero (an essay from which has been excerpted in the latest issue of Parthenon West Review) mentions Robert Duncan. I can also think of Christine Hume's Alaskaphrenia, Johannes, Aase Berg.

Anyone else?

Comments

a.rawlings said…
i covered a poem in remainland last night at a reading. love that book.
François Luong said…
it's a fantastic book.
Johannes said…
I'd like to read your project when it's done.
François Luong said…
johannes: sure, will send it to you.
Todd Dillard said…
What about 'Music and Suicide' by Clark?

Also, I'll write a Toasted Cheese essay on imperative lyricism if you write one on speculative lyricism. Then we can watch them have a thumb war.
François Luong said…
The few things I've read from "M&S" looked like darker deep image poetry, the type you'd find in Robert Bly & James Wright. I doesn't seem very interesting to me or very invested in a scientific/philosophical inquiry of language. As a matter of fact it seems very romantic to me, while I see in this "speculative lyric" something very anti-romantic, esp. in Johannes' and a.'s.
Todd Dillard said…
You never answered my challenge.

Do you mean romantic or Romantic?

Either way, as a gesture, it seems inquiry and lyricism, which I'm admittedly assuming are the cornerstones of SL, can and should encompass other schools/modes/tones/topics etc. Just because you don't find something interesting doesn't mean it's excluding from your favorite movement, you ain't no bouncer neither.

If a third cornerstone is philological tinkering, then I'm not sure you have an appropriately named invention. Hume, I would argue, isn't scientific in the way you're thinking, and in her own right as deeply and darkly imagistic as Clark.

And anti-romantic? Really??
François Luong said…
i didn't? oh, yeah, perhaps because i don't feel like defining "speculative lyric" too clearly yet. reading an essay by Christian Bök on 'pataphysics and futurism (two of the roots of speculative lyric, hence jeff clark's exclusion from, among other reasons), so i might actually come up with something.

i do mean 'romantic' in both senses of the word as described by you.

another concern of speculative lyric is to write not "a poetry about science," but a "poetry as science" (cf. Albert Einstein's and Max Planck's essay on science, Karl Popper's). Johannes might disagree with me on this, but I will also refer in a way to Robert Duncan's conception of the Poem-as-Universe. It's a bit abstract and obstruse, but in a way, it's a way of reading/writing that is not theological in any way (that is to say, in which the author-god -- I think I am repeating myself here -- gives meaning to the reader). Just by addressing the reader with a "You" toward whom Clark's persona points things, Clark shows that he is just repeating old tropes from traditional (and tired) lyric poetry. I'd like to point you to the review of the book in Constant Critic, where Clark's work is discussed not in terms of innovative writing, but as I said, in terms of traditional lyric (all those references to Rimbaud).

SL is also somewhat procedural. If you read a.'s, Johannes, derek beaulieu's, Aase Berg's or my work, you will find some form of writing rule. A rule that you can somewhat find in Hume's Alaskaphrenia, which has more in common with Bök's poem "Midwinter Glaciara."
François Luong said…
oh, yeah, it's anti-romantic because it's skeptical toward any form of absolute (the imagination, god, music & suicide, the transcendental)

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